i am wondering how many jw's stay in a marriage because they have to?
i mean i know there are happy marriages out there (somewhere i am sure), but i have run across several jw wives who are just waiting on their significant other to commet "the act" so they can divorce them and move on with their lives.. divorce has become less of a taboo thing in the org, but it is still frowned upon and people that do divorce, even on the scriptural grounds, are somewhat stigmatized.
so i guess my question is what do you think the divorce rate would be if jw's could get divorced for any grounds with no repercussions?
I think a lot of Jdubs are in unhappy marriages do to the fact most of those that were raised in the "truth" rushed into getting hitched. As for most Jdubs it’s just a way of legalizing having sex. I have heard of so many lately that have gotten married after knowing someone for a few months.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
dear board-.
an old jw friend of mine called me a week ago.
we talked, she has doubts.
Yadirf
You said:
Pattern:MrMoe said:
Eve's curiosity was aroused when she noticed that a snake for the very first time no longer fled when she approached, but stopped to chat instead.
An old JW friend of mine called me a week ago. We talked, she has doubts. We talked more, now she wants to know why I "left" the truth.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
is god loving, merciful, kind, etc.?
(num 25:4) god commands moses to hang the leaders in the sun to calm god's anger .
(deut 4:24) god is a consuming fire, a jealous god .
I have wondered about this question myself. The God of Israel is not the same God that is taught by Christ. In Elaine Pagels book "The Gnostic Gospels" she explains how the early Gnostic Christians thought of what God was:
"What this secret tradition reveals is that the one whom most Christians naively worship as creator, God, and Father is, in reality, only the image of the true God. According to Valentinus, what Clement and Ignatius mistakenly ascribe to God actually applies only to the creator. Valentinus, following Plato, uses the Greek term for "creator" (demiurgos), suggesting that he is a lesser divine being who serves as the instrument of the higher powers. It is not God, he explains, but the demiurge who reigns as king and lord, who acts as a military commander, who gives the law and judges those who violate it - in short he is the "God of Israel."
"Though the initiation Valentinus offers, the candidate learns to reject the creator's authority and all his demands as foolishness. What Gnostics know is that the creator makes false claims to power (" I am God, and there is no other") that derive from his own ignorance. Achieving gnosis involves coming to recognize the true source of divine power - namely, "the depth" of all being. Whoever has come to know that source simultaneously comes to know himself and discovers his spiritual origin: he has come to know his true Father and Mother."
"Whoever comes to this gnosis - this insight - is ready to receive the secret sacrament called the redemption (apolytrosis; literally, "release"). Before gaining gnosis, the candidate worshiped the demiurge, mistaking him for their true God: now, through the sacrament of redemption, the candidate indicates that he has been released from the demiurge's power. In this ritual he addresses the demiurge, declaring his independence, serving notice that he no longer belongs to the demiurge's sphere of authority and judgement, but to what transcends it:
I am son from the Father - the Father who is preexistent....I derive being from Him who is preexistent, and I come again to my own place whence I came forth."
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
i am 36 yr old female originally from toronto ontario canada.
was raised jw till i was about 14. has anyone else had this happen in their hall?
the mom's (thank god never mine!
Billygoat
I feel for you and I know your situation is not unique amongst Jdubs. My dad although he was not a dub at the time beat me and my brother a few times. I don't think he knew how to be a good father because he only knew one way of discipline. There was no such thing as positive reinforcement in my upbringing. Everything was negative and the dubs didn't help matters.
I recall a Jdub family that would faithfully come to the KH and sit in the front row. They had 2 daughters and they would never miss the meetings. I don't know what their father was like at home but my guess was he was very strict with them because they the girls would not flinch during the meetings. That was 30 years ago and you know neither one of those girl are dubs now. They don't want anything to do with it and I can't blame them. However to this day their parents still are thumping on doors trying to tell others how to raise their children. What a joke...
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
just a quick question.
there are so many on this forum, who have been inactive for quite a number of years, who haven't seen the inside of a kingdom hall in a long time, or have not seen hide or hair of their former brethren, still, they go online incognito, fearing they will be seen.
i mean, if you've been gone that long, who cares, if someone recognizes you?
Your welcome,
I just have trouble geting it to link properly.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
just a quick question.
there are so many on this forum, who have been inactive for quite a number of years, who haven't seen the inside of a kingdom hall in a long time, or have not seen hide or hair of their former brethren, still, they go online incognito, fearing they will be seen.
i mean, if you've been gone that long, who cares, if someone recognizes you?
I did it in Ulead Gif animator and Photoimpact 6.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
just a quick question.
there are so many on this forum, who have been inactive for quite a number of years, who haven't seen the inside of a kingdom hall in a long time, or have not seen hide or hair of their former brethren, still, they go online incognito, fearing they will be seen.
i mean, if you've been gone that long, who cares, if someone recognizes you?
plmkrzy
You mean like this??
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
lifted from kents site:.
yp 205-11 26 masturbation-how can i fight the urge?
masturbation-how can i fight the urge?.
But the question is, Are you the master of your own domain???
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
this boys disappearance was big news in nz.. searches were done a number of times in the area.. finally his body was found.. this article has just appeared with some rather unusual details surrounding his disappearance.. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1159345a11,ff.html.
you might have to key in the full address to open the article, but i've pasted it as well.. teen went missing after prank .
07 april 2002 .
I recall a group of JW men that would go on hunting trips together. Some of the "good dubs" were MS and elders in their congregations. The stories I heard, that all it was an excuse to get away from their wives and get pissed up. Just a drunken weekend and playing immature pranks on each other, i.e. like ripping off other guys underware. They would get so drunk and go out with guns and driving 4 wheel ultra-terrain vehicles. As a matter of fact one of them went out drunk one day and ended up rolling it over and killing himself.
Makes one wonder these guys were supposedly shepherds to the flock yet in most peoples opinions all alcoholics. Also the way they used to glorify their hunting stories, is that they loved the blood of the sport. Then next Saturday morning be banging on doors and telling others how to run their lives. I never had the time of day for these hypocrites.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
mrs ozzie and i had a very pleasant visit yesterday to a lady who has plenty of questions as she seeks the truth about 'the troof'.. she told us that as a young 18 year old she commenced regular pioneering and has many memories of her time in the borg.
now in her early 60s she has many questions.
her well-marked and well-used nwt bears testimony to her earnestly seeking of the truth.. she told us that not too long ago she invited the presiding overseer and the visiting c.o.
There is a small minority good elders that are good brothers, that treat others with love and respect. Unfortunately these ones are over shadowed by the egotistical, closed minded, dictatorial elders. The later type of elders is the ones that have all the say in the congregation.
That was the big reason why I left the borg. I was not satisfied with their shallow answers on my legitimate questions that they the elders could not answer. All they would ever say is, "Wait on Jehovah", "The light gets brighter", "You need to pray more" etc. One day I asked an elder about 1975. Surprisingly he admitted the societies past mistakes. I then replied to him, "You know what that does to someone’s belief in an organization that claims to have to truth?" He couldn't answer me. He just shrugged his shoulders and walked away.
I can't say I have seen elders actually thump their bibles when not being able to answer a question. Your observation though is correct, that they are unable to answer your questions and it is challenging their own faith. They are saying to you that your not supposed to ask those questions and to go along with the status quoe. That is another sign of a cult.
Will
"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
Mark Twain
